Posts by the dreamer dreaming

After I left JWs, I wondered, if not them, then who? I began studying the origins of the bible and the psychology of cults and psychology in general... and one day, out of blue, I was struck by a mind blowing revelation... an eppiphany or possibily a Satori...in Zen speak. I suddenly saw what had always been true, but hidden from me.... I saw that I was exactly where all of reality has brought me and you and everyone else and no one was out of place. I saw the perfection of the moment. I saw that freewill was a religious lie and that all religions were false. I was saved from the dark con of man, I was saved from christianity and all other inventions devised by possibily sincere or deluded beings.

I saw that I was perfectly real, exactly as I had to be and could not be otherwise and no matter what I would do from that moment forward would be exactly what the true nature of reality dictated.

GOD, the Generator Of Dreams has allowed me to be a lucid dreamer and it is my hope that others become such.

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If Jehovah isn't the true God then who is?

by unbaptized in

if jehovah isn't the true god then who is?

if the jehovah's witnesses aren't god's people then who is?.

please let me know and i need current information, not outdated information regarding the origin of the organization.

the dreamer dreaming

Jiohdi is GOD

www.jiohdi.org

Jiohdi is Pronounced G.O.D.

the Generator Of Dreams... the ultimate reality, the source of everyTHING perceived, yet is not one of those THINGS... and so GOD is NO-thing.

everyTHING we know is perception, dream, and so we are all dreamers dreaming of a world that exists within GOD.

in HIM we live and move and have our being --- Acts 17:28

GOD, reality, has no maker, no origin, no cause, and thus no purpose nor plan and is and does exactly what the true nature of GOD dictates and we are all the present manifestation of that divine, eternal, will. There is no SIN for those who believe in GOD as all things are exactly as they must be and can only be viewed as flawed, evil or corrupt by comparison to that which is unreal or imagined.

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Out of Mythic into Rational consciousness, the EX-JW Journey

by jst2laws in

i have been absent much for almost a year, reading, learning and breaking out of boxes, figuratively.

i'm hoping that sharing some thoughts and asking some questions might be fun, and maybe helpful for a few.

have you wondered how two people can look at the same information, go through the same experience as you, perhaps even be party to the same conversation yet come away with an entirely different perception?

the dreamer dreaming

expeirences are facts of perceptions... Belief Systems about them are BS.

all Belief Systems seems to begin with certain unverifiable assumptions and then build ideal worlds from them and then try to make everything fit... the map becomes confused with the territory. the CONviNcED beLIEveRS then try to CONvince others.

I remember an elder saying to me, well you KNOW this is THE TRUTH... and I said to him, I believe it is, I dont KNOW it is... and he looked like he was going to have a coronary. I find many who claim to KNOW what they only beLIEve.

many times I have tried, in vain to point out that pretending FAITH is FACT and Beliefs as KNOWLEDGE is basically LYING.

many go from one IDEAL to a NEW ideal and think they have made a break through... have they really?

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The JW's Concept of The Resurrection, a False Hope?

by VM44 in

the jw's concept of the resurrection is that at some time in the future a duplicate physical body of a person will be created and onto this duplicated body's brain, the person's memories will be impressed.

the jw's are very clear that the individual does not possess a "soul" that continues on after death, so there is nothing unique to transfer from the original person to the re-created body.

why should the idea that some impostor in the future who was given my memories and who also believes that they were once me give me any hope today?

the dreamer dreaming

when my NON-JW brother first said this to me way back in 1985 I could not grasp what he really meant... hypnosis entrancement had my brain but good..

..around 1986-7 I suddenly awoke to what he had said.... I mentioned it here a few years ago as well... few seemed to take notice... I am glad more are waking to the JW sham.

the only way one can see the JW way as having any validity is to believe that you are like a corporation... many parts coming and going but making up a LEGAL FICTIOUS ENTITY which will be brought back into existance some time in the future should it be shut down now.

when I woke to this I was still a JW and came to realize that even though JWs say they dont believe in souls or spirits or anything surviving death, they implicitly do believe they themselves will pass magically through death and emerge on the other side, much like the startrek transporter which Dr McCoy always worried was Killing the real him on one side and making a clone on the other.

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The Duality -- The Father and The Son

by UnDisfellowshipped in

do jehovah's witnesses believe in two gods or one god?

do they believe in a "duality"?

do jehovah's witnesses and/or the angels worship jesus christ?.

the dreamer dreaming

no one ever seems to address what is blatantly obvious to anyone who is not a trinitarian...

there are visions of heaven throughout the bible and just about all of them show the very same thing.

there is ONE being who is never confused with anyone or anything but God.

there is a second being who is identified as ONE LIKE A SON OF MAN.

or

Jesus at the RIGHT HAND OF GOD.

or

the lamb, the lion of JUDAH, who comes before the throne of GOD ALMIGHTY.

why is it that NOT ONE vision of heaven EVER shows any 3rd person?

infact in REV. we find the HOLY SPIRIT symbolized, not by any one person, but by SEVEN lamps of FIRE.

there is absolutely no where in the visions of the bible showing heaven, anything but ONE GOD and another CHOSEN BY HIM.

there is NO confusion in any of these vision as to who GOD is.

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Is there any Hope?

by Agnostic Front in

hi guys, i'm hoping that you may be able to answer a question for me as you seem to have a pretty broad range of experience with the jws, about a year ago i met the most fantastic woman i've ever met, we 'clicked' straight away went on a few dates, held hands, cuddled in country pubs but i never got more than a peck on the lips when we said goodbye.

she soon informed me that she was a jw, i didn't really know anything about them except for when they knock on my door on a saturday, so i said ok, we'll deal with it.

she's adamant that we can't be together unless i'm a jw too, i know that this doesn't have to be the case but it's her decision.

the dreamer dreaming

both of you will ignore your heads and navigate with your loins until it becomes so serious that disaster is just around the corner...and it will come as all exciting lives must find it... then your heads will kick in but not in a good way...

remember he who puts heart above head leads with arse (^o^)

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Is there anyway anyone can deny all religion is nothing more than guesses?

by The Dragon in

jw
friends

see it all the time...and children even talking about it!.

is there any evidence that can prove all religions are nothing more than other mens guesses into the intentions and plans of god?.

we cannot even discern each others intentions or thoughts...how can someone claim to know god's?

the dreamer dreaming

seems to me that I have been way to easy to be CONviNcED about beLIEveRS B.lief S.ystems, only to discover later it was all unverifiable guessing presented as fact. I now strive to keep my self from taking any BS too seriously... even my own. As for Jesus... I find one lie told so often that everyone just assumes it is true... namely that he is well documented. Nothing can be further from the truth. The fact is the is no verifiable eye witness report about him from anypne. Visions may have counted in the first century... but hallucinations are not given much wieght today. The fact that Jesus parallels a dozen older myths does not help.

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WHY IS THE WTBTS OBSESSED WITH MASTURBATION????!!!!!

by Gill in

what exactly is the cause of the wtbts total obsession with masturbation?.

is there any religion in the world that has printed so many articles on this topic?.

if your feelings are similart to those of luiz, pedro or andre, take courage.

the dreamer dreaming

JWs are not the only ones using tactics like this...it basically boils down to divide and conquer... if they can get you to be internally divided emotionally and constantly in a state of guilt they can manipulate you... they are not that different from the abusive lover who makes you feel like a piece of $#!+ that should be profoundly happy because he has wasted his valuable time to care about you.

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Do you consider yourself a spiritual person?

by hambeak in

jw
friends

since most of us on this board have left the org for one reason or another, do you still feel a sense of spirituality to the great spirit?.

if so how?

if not why?.

the dreamer dreaming

yes, very spiritual, from the latin, full of breath or hot air